Ep 267: Overcoming Sin Through The Spirit

In this first (official) installment of my semi-weekly ‘Theology Thursday’ series, I discuss how God enables us to overcome sin through the power of His Spirit. Reflecting on a recent sermon I heard from Matthew 5:27-30, in which Jesus equates lust with adultery and then instructs his audience to gouge out an eye or cut off a hand if it causes them to sin. While Jesus is obviously using hyperbole, he doesn’t in this passage explain precisely how one is to over the temptation of adultery (or any other sin). Fortunately, Paul fills in the gaps. Drawing on Romans 8, particularly 8:12-14, Paul says that it is the Spirit which enables us to put to death the deeds of the flesh. All throughout Romans Paul has drawn a parallel between sin and death, a Biblical theme reaching back to the Garden of Eden and paralleled in the covenant between God and Israel outlined in Deuteronomy 27-32. Sin necessarily leads to corruption and death, a point Paul repeatedly makes in Romans and necessitating, as Jesus implies, a surgical removal. Fortunately, those who place their faith in God’s Messiah Jesus are given the Spirit, which allows us to begin the process of resurrection in the present and overcome our sin-which-leads-to-death through the gracious, Spirit-enabled process of sanctification. We can and should work to overcome the corruption of sin and are, by God’s grace, enabled to do so through the power of the Spirit. 

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This is the Protestant Libertarian Podcast, a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute and part of the Christians for Liberty Network. I really hope that you guys enjoy today's show. All right, guys, welcome to another episode of the Protestant Libertarian Podcast. This is a special Thursday episode. And if you caught the episode that I released on Tuesday, I talked about this new idea that I have that I actually have to attribute to my wife because she was the one that has been pushing me to do this. But I love the Protestant Libertarian Podcast, obviously. And we talk about a lot of great issues. And all of my flagship episodes usually deal with the intersection between biblical studies, theology, politics, and economics. And so I'm kind of a narrowly focused niche podcast, but I do have a degree, as I said before, in biblical studies. And that's I'm not like a credentialism guy. That doesn't really matter. The point of me saying that was that I'm interested in a lot of issues in the Bible that don't necessarily directly relate to political and economic concepts. And there are times that I'd love to just podcast on these issues and talk about them. And I think that I've gotten some questions from audience listeners that are really good and not necessarily directed at just the political and economic consequences of biblical interpretation. And I've had so many great conversations over the last couple of years, and I've really wanted an outlet to talk about some of these theological issues that are really important and significant to me on a different level. And so my wife had the idea that I should just release some special episodes of the show where I don't talk about anything that's directly related to politics and economics. And that's exactly what I intend to do. So I'm going to have this new semi-regular series. I'm hoping that I can do it at least twice a month, maybe more, uh maybe sometimes less, just depending on my schedule. But I'm going to call it Theology Thursdays. You guys have been listening to my show for a long time, you know that I love to release bonus Thursday episodes at least one or two a month. And I want to be a lot more intentional about that. And I want these Thursday episodes to sometimes be or oftentimes be about biblical or theological issues that aren't necessarily directly related to the themes of the show. But I think if you listen to a show like this, you're interested in the Bible and you're probably interested in my other theological perspectives as well. And I want to have an opportunity to have a conversation about those. So as I said in the last episode, if you're a listener to the show and you are curious about what I think regarding a certain issue, you know, my mind, I'm constantly changing my mind on different topics and studying and growing and uh reach out to me, talk to me, and tell me what you want me to talk about on Thursdays. And I'll do my best to release an episode on whatever your your questions are, um, so that we can get into the Bible and start learning more about this and start growing in our faith. I think that the, you know, the Bible is has has had a massive impact, obviously, in my spiritual development as it's supposed to. Not only do I believe that it's authoritative, but I believe it's binding on me personally. It should shape the way that I live my life. And over the last couple of years, as I've done more research and study on economics and on political philosophy and on American history, I think I've sometimes lost sight of the fact that the Bible is my foundation. And now that my book is done and over with, and uh, we're moving on to the marketing and everything like that. I want to start exploring other issues outside of those that are related to politics and economics. This is my first stab at a Theology Thursday episode, and I'm really excited. These are not going to be as long as my normal episodes, hopefully 20 to 25 minutes max, maybe a little bit longer, maybe a little bit shorter. I don't know. So we'll see. Um, but, anyways, what I wanted to talk about today is how the Holy Spirit enables us to overcome our sin. I think that this is such an important concept for Christians. And yes, I am a part of the Wesleyan tradition and I do believe in sanctification. And so there is within Wesleyanism this idea that we work with the Spirit to help overcome our sin and that over time we can get better and better at turning away from sin. As sin becomes less and less compatible with our values and with our worldview and with our spiritual maturity, we can actually grow as Christians with respect to sin. But how does that process actually work? Well, it's all done through the grace of God via the power of the Holy Spirit. So we do have to cooperate with the Holy Spirit, but it's also not something that we are capable apart from God's gracious gift of the Spirit. And I want to talk about that dynamic today. And what brought this up was a sermon that I heard at my church yesterday. Uh, yesterday was I'm recording this the day after Mother's Day. So this is May 11th, and we've been going through the Sermon on the Mount over the last couple of weeks at my church. And I don't think my pastor planned this. But the section in Matthew 5 where Jesus talks about lust being a form of adultery was the text that we read in church yesterday. And he made a bunch of jokes about how this is not a great Mother's Day sermon. And I thought it I thought it was all great, but I thought he did such a great job of talking about the significance of that passage. So I want to read what Jesus says in Matthew 5, 27 through 30, because even though this is specifically about lust as a form of adultery, I think that there are there are a lot of implications in this passage that we can draw out for the way that we work with the Holy Spirit to help overcome our sinfulness. So here's what Jesus says. This is Matthew 5, 27 through 30. This is in the famous antithesis in the Sermon on the Mount. So Jesus is saying, I you have heard that it was said, you shall not do whatever, but I tell you. And what is happening here is Jesus, as he's already said in Matthew 5, Jesus is not overturning the Jewish law here. He's not saying that the law is relevant. And in fact, he says that he believes that the law needs to be fulfilled. What Jesus is doing is that he is the, he's casting himself as the definitive interpreter of Israel's law. So when Jesus issues the Sermon on the Mount, he's saying this is the direction that the law was headed all along. And the Sermon on the Mount, if you go back to Matthew chapter four, is set in the context of Jesus' proclamation of the kingdom of God. Everything that Jesus does and says in the gospel, in the all the gospels, is intentionally reinforcing his message of the kingdom of God, whether it's his words, as in Matthew's Sermon on the Mount or his deeds, his signs, the deeds of power that he performs all throughout his ministry, these are all intended to show what the kingdom of God actually looks like. And so Jesus is interpreting the law and showing how we apply it in the kingdom of God. So here's what Jesus says: You have heard that it was said, you shall not commit adultery. But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Now, if your right eye is causing you to sin, tear it out and throw it away from you, for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into Gehenna. And if your right hand is causing you to sin, cut it off and throw it away from you, for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body than for your whole body to go into gehenna. Now, this is uh from the NASB 95. I did modify this a little bit. I uh changed the word hell to gehenna because that's the word that's there in the Greek, and there is theological significance to that that we don't really need to get into today. But gehenna is the basic idea here, though, is that Gehenna is a place of judgment. Jesus is using the language of gehenna to refer to a judgment. And so Jesus is saying, okay, if you look at a woman with lust for her, you're doing the same thing as committing adultery. You've committed adultery in your heart, and uh if your eye causes you to sin or if your hand causes you to sin, then you need to get rid of it. You need to perform surgery uh because it is infected, and that infection will spread to the rest of your body if you don't cut it out. So, what is actually going on here in Jesus' words, right? He's talking about the kingdom of God and what it means for us to be members of God's kingdom. And he says that if you lust after a woman, you are committing adultery. Well, what does he mean by that? The word, the Greek word for lust there is epiphumia, and that is a word that means desire. So it is when you do not possess something and you would like to possess that thing. So what Jesus is saying here is not that it's wrong to look at a woman and think that she is attractive, like think to think that she is good looking. Or if you're a woman, it's not wrong to look at a man and say, oh, that's a good-looking person. Like there's nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is what happens after that when you desire that person, when your acknowledgement that somebody is physically appealing turns into a desire to have them, or when you start comparing your spouse or your boyfriend or girlfriend with this other person. And lust is very insidious. And Jesus says that someone that commits adultery, the same exact, the same exact thing that is going on in the heart of somebody that commits adultery is going on in the heart of somebody that is lusting or desiring after somebody that is not their spouse. And so for him, like he does with many of the antitheses, and this is true in the Jewish tradition, this is not unique to Jesus, and it's even embedded deeply in the law and in the Old Testament, that God is always concerned about what's going on in the heart, right? Your external actions should be a manifestation of what's going on in the heart. And what Jesus is saying here is that even if your external manifestation, or even if your external actions don't manifest themselves in adultery, you're like, You're not physically cheating on your spouse. If you have a heart that is bent towards that, if you're desiring other women or comparing your spouse to another person, then you're essentially committing the same crime in the heart. And you have to learn how to get rid of that. Like that's something that a member of the kingdom of God should not be engaged in. We have to be able to overcome our lust because lust is the moral equivalent, the internal equivalent of adultery. And the suggestion that Jesus gives, which I think is extremely wise impression and difficult advice, is that if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out. If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. Now, obviously, Jesus is known throughout his parables and in all of his sayings for using imagery, using metaphor, using symbolism, figurative language. And this is a great example of that. Jesus does not expect that his followers will actually gouge their eye out if their eyes are causing them to look upon other women with lust or men with lust, for the, you know, the three ladies that listen to the show, right? And so what he's saying here is that you need to get rid of the things in your life that cause you to have those feelings to begin with. You need to work to try to overcome that. You need to get rid of or cut out of your life that which causes you to lust. It's not good enough just to not commit adultery. You also have to be committed to not lusting. And that means getting rid of habits or behaviors or actions that could lead to that path. And I thought my pastor did a really great job of talking about this because he made a lot of points. And this isn't really an issue that is extremely like this is not my temptation. My temptation is much more to be angry and pissed off. And that's that's what I deal with. Like I got I got a temper problem. That's what I got to work with. But I know a lot of guys, a lot of guys really, really, really struggle with this. And I think every every man does to start. I'm not, I'm not innocent in this regard, of course. Um, but he was giving really great advice just about how, like, you know, if you're one of those guys and uh your phone is like an issue because you want to look at inappropriate content on your phone, then find a way to put a blocker on your phone, or don't look at your phone, don't access your phone. Or if you are in a relationship with a coworker or a friend and they're kind of like into you a little bit, or it's kind of like, you know, you get to a point where those lines are getting kind of blurry, then you need to stop having that like friendship or relationship with them, even if they get mad at you for that. Right? Don't put yourself in a position that could lead to lust, because that lust is just an internal manifestation of adultery, right? So in order to gouge out your eye or cut off your hand, you need to cultivate an attitude where you remove yourself from the situations that will take you down that path, right? Don't even, don't even head down the path to begin with. So I thought that that was really brilliant advice. And for anyone reading the Sermon on the Mount, it is a powerful challenge to all of our assumptions that as Christians, we should always be thinking not just about what do my external actions look like, but how do what is my internal disposition? Like what's what's what are my real motives? What are my true motives? But it's easier said than done, right? Like gouging out your eyes and cutting off your hand is not something that is easily accomplished. And if all we had was this passage in Matthew chapter five, Matthew 5, 27 through 30, it might seem as if this is all on us, that Jesus is simply saying, okay, I'm going to give you this extremely difficult command. It's not just keep your hands off of another woman, keep your mind off of her, too. That is an incredibly high bar to clear. And it doesn't seem like, at least in the context of this passage, Jesus gives us anything more than you just have to do it, right? Like, but the question is for most Christians, well, how? And this doesn't just apply to lust. That's one of the things I thought was so great about this sermon, is that it's universally applicable. Whether, you know, it's uh my my problem where I just get really mad at people doing and saying things that make me frustrated, or whether I guess some people probably have a propensity to lie and steal and do things like that. How do we learn to prevent ourselves from having the internal motives that get us to that point? We have to learn to cut things out that cause us to reflect on that. But fortunately, Paul spends quite a long time in Romans explaining exactly how we can, in fact, learn to gouge out our eye and cut off our hands metaphorically if they cause us to sin. And that is through the power of the Holy Spirit. Now, I'm gonna flash a passage from Romans 8 up on the screen here. This is gonna be the center of what we're gonna talk about. And I'm probably gonna read a little bit of Romans 8 around it for the context. But this is what Paul says here. And this is very similar, um, a different context, but there's it's it's the same similar theme or problem that Jesus is dealing with. How do we die to sin? Like, how do we how do we get rid of the obstacles in our life that cause us to sin? And here's what Paul says in Romans 8, 12 through 14. It says, So then, brothers and sisters, we are under obligation not to the flesh to live according to the flesh. For if you are living in according uh in accord with the flesh, you are going to die. But if by the spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are being led by the spirit of God, these are the sons and daughters of God. This must not be the NASB 95. Oh, okay. Well, I probably didn't I probably did the newer version of the NSB, whatever. Uh, you get you get the sense of this, right? So, what what Paul is saying, and I've I've highlighted in bold the operative part of this passage, if by the spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Now, over the last couple of weeks, I have been reflecting a lot on Romans 5 through 8 because I read John Barclay's book on grace and Paul that deals heavily with that. And I read another book by Haley, Gorenson, Jacob called Conformed to the Image of His Son, which I'm going to release an episode on here in a couple weeks, where it looks at Romans 8 and what Paul means in Romans 8 when he says that we're conformed to the image of God's Son and that we're also glorified. Like, what does all that look like? And so I've been going pretty much every single day through Romans 5 through 8 and just kind of thinking about what's going on there. And I love Romans. It's been great to get back into Romans, but in that passage, and really all throughout Paul's letter to the Romans, he's constantly playing on this idea that sin is a form of death. There's an intrinsic relationship between human sinfulness and death that goes all the way back to the man and the woman and the garden, and then also to Israel and their obedience or disobedience to the covenant, that when human beings rebel against God, that leads to death. And so when we as human beings give in to sin, and this is a large part of what Paul says in Romans chapter six, then we're really just giving in to death. Like you can either present yourselves, as Paul says, as slaves to obedience or as slaves to sin, uh, and you will obey the thing that you present yourself as a slave to, and that if you present yourself as a slave to sin, it will lead to death. And if you present yourself as a slave to obedience, it will lead to righteousness. So this is going back kind of full circle to what Matthew is saying in Matthew or what Jesus is saying in Matthew 5, that we have to be obedient to God, and that obedience has to come from the heart. And if something gets in the way, then we need to cut that out of our life. So what Paul says here is that the only way to overcome the deeds of the body is to rely on the work of the Holy Spirit. And I want to read the wider context of Romans 8, because I do think that in a lot of ways, Paul summarizes the main themes of his argument throughout the letter to the Romans in letter chapter, or in uh in chapter 8 of his letter to the Romans. It's a climactic chapter before his transition, but it's also a continuity in Romans 9 through 11. So here's what Paul says in the wider context. This is Romans 8, uh, starting in verse 1. Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, for the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus is set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, weak as it was to the flesh, God did, sending his own son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and as an offering for sin, he condemns sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the spirit. Now, the requirement of the law is to be obedient to God, but what Paul says in Romans chapter seven and what he implies at the end of Romans chapter two is that if there's a problem with the law, it's just that the law does not actually give those who adhere to it the ability to overcome sin. The law calls out sin, as Paul says, it reveals sin, it informs us of what sin is, and it reforms us, and it informs us that we are sinful, but the law itself does not enable us to overcome sin. And what he says at the very beginning of chapter eight in Romans, as he's summary summing up his argument, is that the requirement of the law is actually fulfilled in those who walk by the spirit, not by the flesh. So it is the spirit that allows us to fulfill the requirement of the law, which is honoring God and other and loving other people. This is the Decalogue. And we can do that only through the Spirit. We cannot accomplish that through the law, because the law is not the spirit. The spirit is what enables us to overcome death. So he's going to go on. And again, he's playing on this idea here in Romans 8 of death and life. This is in verse five. For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but to those who are according to the spirit, the things of the spirit. For the mindset on the flesh is death, but the mindset on the spirit is life and peace. Because the mindset on the flesh is hostile towards God, for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. However, you are not in the flesh, but in the spirit, if indeed the spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his spirit who dwells in you. And this is a part of the language that Paul uses throughout this section in Romans. It's that, yes, the resurrection, our bodily resurrection, is a future event that will happen at the end of history, the real end of history, the final end of history. But because the spirit's already been poured out and the Messiah is already seated on the throne at God's right hand, the end of history has been brought into the present. And God's promise of the Holy Spirit has been poured out. This is in Joel chapter two, right? That God promises that in the final days he would pour out his spirit on all of his people. And this has happened according to Paul. And so, because of that, Paul is able to say, Romans chapter six, that we are in the present already experiencing the resurrection life through the power of the Spirit. Now, we still have mortal, corruptible bodies. God will fix that problem in the end. But the spirit animates us by allowing us to overcome the power that led to our death in the first place, which is sin. So going to what Paul says in Romans 8, 12 through 14, we are obligated not to live according to the or not to the flesh, but to live according to the flesh. But if we by the power of the spirit are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons and daughters of God. What Paul says in verse 14 is near and dear to his heart. So he makes this big argument in Galatians 2 through 4 and in Romans 3 through 4, and in Ephesians 1 through 3, that the family of God is defined by faith in the Messiah and by the impartation of the Spirit. So how do you know that somebody is a part of God's family? Well, they put their faith in the Messiah and they've been given the Spirit of God. Paul says exactly this in Ephesians 1, 14 and 15. And if you look at the book of Acts, Acts 10 through 15, this is the same issue that comes up again and again that leads to the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15. And what do they say? Well, the Gentiles have been given the gift of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, the Gentiles can be a part of Abraham's family as Gentiles because of the gift of the Spirit. But not only does the Spirit demarcate the real people of God in the eschatological age, the Spirit is also the one who enables us to put to death the deeds of the body. So Jesus doesn't leave us helpless in Matthew 5, 27 through 30 when he says that lust is adultery and the things that lead to lust and all other sins need to be cut out of our life. How do we cut these things out of our life? By relying on the power of the Spirit. Now, Paul implies here that we need to cooperate with the Spirit. This is not a passive activity. And at the very end of Romans chapter 6, this is a very important passage for Wesleans like me, Paul talks about how we're free from sin and enslaved to God, and that this results in sanctification because the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. So Paul at the end of Romans 6 focuses on the idea of sanctification. It's becoming in practice what God has declared us as our at our justification, that we are in the right before him, given the gift of the Holy Spirit. And then the Holy Spirit helps us grow, helps us to become sanctified, helps us to grow in our faith through his power. Now, again, Paul is, like I said before, this is this is an active cooperation with the gift, or this is an act of cooperation with the Spirit. So God graciously redeems us through the blood of Christ, has graciously set him as king over all of creation, has graciously given us the Holy Spirit justified us and is in the process of sanctifying us, but we have to work with him. So Paul and Jesus, and then of course, you know, God behind both of them wants us to overcome the deeds of the flesh because the deeds of the flesh will kill us, they will lead to death. And so we have an obligation as believers to live in the spirit. And it is the Holy Spirit that transforms us. So when we read Jesus' teachings in Matthew 5 about how we need to gouge out our eyes and cut off our hands if they cause us to sin, we rely on the power of the Holy Spirit to do that. It is not something that we can do on our own. It is not something that we can do independent of the grace of God. And it is not something that we can do without the work of the Spirit in our lives. It is, God is with us all the way through, from beginning to end, from provenient grace to the final resurrection at the end of all things. He's with us throughout that entire process. But in the interim, we have an obligation to turn away from our sin because sin leads to death. And it is the spirit that helps us to do that. So I don't know what you're dealing with, but I know that when I heard this sermon, there were just a million things that were going off in my mind. It's very convicting, very challenging to me. But I realized that if I want to become the man that God made me to be, and if I want to take sanctification seriously, then I have to rely on the spirit. And so my goal is to pray more about these things that are holding me back and to take actionable steps to try to improve the problems that I'm facing in my life. If I am struggling personally with anger, then I don't need to listen to news podcasts or read news articles that make me frustrated. And over the last couple of months, I've really curtailed my time on Twitter and I've really curtailed the amount of political podcasts I've listened to and the amount of articles I've listened to. And man, it's already made a huge difference in my life. Now, the Holy Spirit led me to do that. I'd been feeling for a couple of years that I really needed to step back from the current events cycle, but just couldn't seem to find a way to get out of that. And I was just kind of stuck in my own mind, I think. And the spirit really pushed me and really moved me to get out of that. And this was an example in my life of me having to gouge out my eye or cut off my hand because it was causing me to sin. In that case, it was causing me to become angry at people that I had no reason to be angry for whatsoever. And I don't know what this looks like for your life. But here's the point that I want to make as we wrap this up today. I think that when we look at what Jesus says in Matthew 5, and when we look at what Paul says in Romans 8, we we do should not feel helpless about our sin, right? If you're stuck in a sin, which we all are, we are like sanctification, I believe, is a lifelong process. We never get it. God has to constantly work with us, and God has to constantly work in us. So we're not going to get this perfectly, and we're not going to do this the right way every single time, or even the majority of the time. It's just not the way that it's going to work. But God wants to work in your life. And if you submit to the Spirit, and if you pray to the Spirit, and if you allow the Spirit to help transform you and reveal to you the actionable steps that you can take to overcome your sin, to gouge out your eye and cut off your hand, metaphorically speaking, then God will make real progress in your life because he wants to make real progress in your life. We just have to allow the spirit to work and we have to be obedient to the leanings of the spirit. And that is the way, my friends, that we can, through the power of the spirit, overcome the sin that leads to death. God has given us new life. God has given us the spirit. We're a part of his family and he's given us the means out of this. Sin is bad. It corrupts us, it corrodes us, it leads to negative outcomes, always, right? And even if, going back to Jesus' imagery here, it's a great example. Even if you never commit adultery, if you live a life of lust behind closed doors, you're going to be a miserable person and you're going to wind up objectifying all the people in your life. And, you know, say you're married and you are constantly finding yourself objectifying other women or lusting after other women, it's going to destroy your relationship with your wife and it's going to have a negative effect on her. And so in those instances, we need to understand that that is the corrosive effect of sin. And God wants us to get over that. And He provides us graciously a means to do that through the power of the Holy Spirit. All right. Well, guys, I hope that you enjoyed this. It's not really the first episode of what the what Theology Thursday, because I've released a couple of episodes like this that are not quite related to the political and economic stuff. But I did hope that you enjoyed this uh, you know, inaugural official episode of Theology Thursday. 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